A Game of Thrones – Chapter Six: Catelyn


  1. Page numbers based off Kindle edition.
  2. No spoiling me; I will edit/delete any.
  3. I don’t avoid spoilers.
  4. My citation format is not necessarily accurate, but it works for me.

I appreciate that some people may be turned off by this constant ‘pre-blog’ notification. I choose to respect that some people may not have read these books before, like I hadn’t and so make the effort to not spoil them unless they go to the post page. I figure if you really want to be here, reading, you’ll ignore it.

I admit I’m impressed by this sex scene, if you can call it that—it seems almost dismissive of their coitus; it’s more important that Catelyn’s room is hot and Ned can’t stand that so he lets the cold air in. Also my brain wants to take the following statement literally: So when they had finished, Ned rolled off and climbed from her bed, as he had a thousand times before.1 In fifteen years (approximately five thousand, four hundred and seventy-eight days) they’ve only managed sex a thousand—well, a thousand and one, now—times?

I don’t think I’ve mentioned this, but I like how Martin apparently separates what is spoken from the action he wants the character to perform, instead of making it seem like what was spoken is “laughed/sneezed/etc”. Of course as soon as I say that, Catelyn ‘blazes’ instead of speaking, because she is pissed, and that may be bad writing in that we could be shown, instead of told. Upon reflection, using ‘blazed’ isn’t necessarily telling us–it evokes imagery that could get the point across.

Which makes the full end of the sentence even worse: …she blazed, angry now. 2 *sigh*

…does Ned doubt Catelyn’s love/faithfulness because of Brandon’s shadow between them? Certainly Catelyn could have good reason to doubt Ned’s, given Jon. Mm… *flips back to the first chapter to see if there’s some indication of where Jon falls in age placement* Well, Robb and he are fourteen… but no indication that I see as to which is the older. In any case, that’s one suspicion gone: that Ned fathered Jon before Catelyn was in the picture. He’d probably still be a bastard in any case, even if my suspicion was true.

…interesting. ‘Without’ is an archaic adverb meaning ‘outside’. It seems so odd to me, that usage.

Oooh, a lens from Myr… a false bottom… a message for Catelyn… this seems spooky!

Jon Arryn was murdered by Cersei, according to Lysa. Why doesn’t this surprise me? Although I also saw an article title that talked of the murderer of Jon Arryn being revealed in GoT, so it may not be Cersei.

…oh my. Are we to take it that this Lady Ashara Dayne is Jon’s mother? Because if not, why else would Ned quell all mention of her? So this is two mysteries in one… I like!

Yeah, I was right. Catelyn has never forgiven Ned for Jon. *wishes she was less hard about Jon’s presence* Robb and Rickon must stay, and Sansa, Arya and Bran must go. It is to protect House Stark. Still, I suppose Jon being in the Night Watch is best for all… *sigh* Poor Jon.

1. Martin, George R. R. (2010-12-23). A Game of Thrones, page 55. HarperCollins Publishers. Kindle Edition.

2. Martin, George R. R. (2010-12-23). A Game of Thrones, page 56. HarperCollins Publishers. Kindle Edition.


5 Responses to “A Game of Thrones – Chapter Six: Catelyn”

  1. Anna says:

    Catelyn! I like Cat! I don’t always agree with what she does, but she is complex and interesting and I can understand why she does what she does.

    … I, like you, wish she could be less hard on Jon, for various reasons – but again, I can understand why. She has reasons, solid ones, and it can’t be easy to try to act within the confines of society’s standards, when one’s husband is stepping outside them by caring far more than is common about his bastard.

    She is a perfect example of the complexity GRRM builds into his female characters, even when they are on the surface restricted to a traditionally feminine role. I mean, Cat is a mother – that is a huge part of her character – and society views her as a mother/wife/woman, but she still gets to think and act for herself, experience complex feelings and have complex motivations for her actions. She gets to triumph, she gets to fail, and because we get to see many of her actions through her own eyes, we get to know the line of reasoning that led to them – GRRM might let *characters* dismiss her for being a woman, but he never lets *himself* do it. It is made clear that the characters who do are in the wrong.

    And ooooh, the Ashara Dayne! 😀 GRRM spends a lot of time teasing the mystery of Jon’s parentage, and it is one of my favourite things to watch new readers go through and experience. 😀 Have fun! I’ll be biting my tongue to keep from spoiling stuff.

    • Dianna says:

      …I almost think my policy of no spoilers sucks when people can torment me with their knowledge. 😛 Oh well, it comes with the territory of doing this. *grin* I’ll just have to read faster! 😛

      I could grow to like Cat for her complexity. I just hope that not loving Jon does not come back to bite them in the ass. Though… to me, that they could say “well, Catelyn, if you’d loved him we wouldn’t be in this mess” seems strange.

      Being a little ridiculous here… but if by book five, Jon is Dark Overlord of Westeros, raping, murdering, pillaging, etc and this is supposedly because Catelyn never loved him… I would want to see clear reasoning that Catelyn’s lack of love is responsible for this. It doesn’t have to be true, because people believe things that aren’t true all the time. But I have never known anyone to believe in anything without there being some thread of reasoning that another can follow, even if they disagree with it.

      So. If there is a point where Catelyn or anyone else has a belief that things would be better had Catelyn loved Jon, I want the reasoning behind that statement.

      • Anna says:

        I hope I get in under the wire of the no-spoilers rule when I tell you that Jon does not end up being Dark Overlord of Westeros by book five. 😛

        Cat’s lack of love for Jon does affect him, but it is not the sole reason for anything. It does impact Jon’s view of himself and the world (Ned loves him, but Cat doesn’t – the contrast is obvious and he does think and feel things about it), and it does indirectly cause a couple of external events to happen (as opposed to internal monologuing and stuff).

        But by and large, the characters around her *get* why Cat doesn’t love Jon – it’s pretty natural, considering the circumstances – and even if one or more of them think she should have, there’s never the “You should have loved him, or we wouldn’t be in this mess”-situation, AFAIK.

  2. Siri Paulson says:

    (Comment got b0rked when I submitted. Trying again.)

    Catelyn! <3 Some AGOT fans don't like her — you'll see why, later — but I'm a fan. She's limited by the society she's in, and she plays a much more conventional social role than several of the other female leads (motherhood is huge for her, of course, but also her role as a lord's wife). But that doesn't mean she's not smart and savvy and politically astute, and unafraid to wield what power she has within those boundaries.

    …actually, if you like that storytelling angle, I have another book to recommend: Paladin of Souls by Lois McMaster Bujold. In a way it's easier, with a setting like this, to write about female characters who break all the rules — woman warriors and the like — or who start out within limited roles and then break free. Don't get me wrong, I love me some woman warriors and rule-breakers, and the theme of an FMC breaking free of societal norms is behind…*counts on fingers, gives up* let's just say a LOT of what I write. But I also really dig characters who DO fit into their societies and who find their strength within those roles.

    Re: "without" — Yeah, GRRM uses a few archaic words/usages here and there. I think he settles on a few new/different ones for each book.

    As for Jon and Ashara Dayne and when Ned fathered Jon…no comment. *ahem*

    • Dianna says:

      I HAVE THE POWER; I DO NOT HAVE TO PUT BORKED COMMENTS ON MY BLOG! …except when I reply to them because I don’t realise they’re borked comments. *looks abashed*

      Mmm… I might have to check Lois McMaster Bujold out, then! 😀

      …I’m starting to hate my no spoilers rule. 😛

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